nooga said...
"Seems kind of funny that your all in favor of drug testing for welfare recipients, but only lil jonnie and Blackwater suggested drug testing the biggest leechs of tax payer money, the politicians "
I agree whole heartily. As their employer I want them tested. As their employer I want them docked a days pay if they miss a vote.
There is a difference between the 90 year old lady on Social Security and a person applying for Food stamps and government cheese (I really miss Government cheese that stuff was awesome).
The Food Stamp / Welfare program is funded by tax payer dollars. Social Security is something you pay into and get back when you retire in payments.
If I were an employer I'd require drug testing. And in theory I as a taxpayer am employing those on welfare to sit on their rear end and do nothing. I Want them drug tested.
I've known people who got food stamps and sold them so they could have drug money. How does that feed their children?
Sorry no this law needs to be implemented nationwide.
To those of you quoting the Bill of Rights you may want to actually look at the wording there
Amendment IV of the Bill of Rights
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
Persons, Houses, Papers and effects. this does not cover Government buildings.
JustOneWoman said... "You have a choice whether you work for company A, company B, or not at all. What choice do these people have? "
They have a choice to apply for welfare and take a drug test OR to get a job OR to move in with family or friends OR to go to a community kitchen... I could go on with the list, but as you can see they have several options as I just listed four.
And while I'm on the subject, How is it illegal to grow your own food? Where on God's green earth did you get that crack head conspiracy theory statement?
What is every farmer in America breaking the law?
If you as a private citizen walk into a building and apply for Government Assistance, and it is a requirement to pass a drug test to get said assistance, then it is not a violation of your rights to ask you to pee in a cup. Since you knew walking in the door what would be required, by signing the paper you are agreeing to submit to that test.
Anyone that thinks this policy is in violation of the 2nd amendment needs to actually take and study a civics course, or in some cases retake it.
Let me tell you why.
It does not affect the subject's "Persons, houses, papers, or effects" it is collecting and testing a sample of their waste, and Waste is in effect public domain. It is theoretically possible for them to just sit in the sewer outside your house and collect the sample, and its legal.
It is not an unreasonable search or seizure. It is perfectly reasonable to ask an applicant to submit to a drug test. If it was illegal my employer and thousands of employers across the country would be in violation of this law. Most people today expect to be drug tested when applying for a job, and if it is an expectation it is not unreasonable.
There is no warrant involved.
So in closing, arguments that it is in violation of the 2nd amendment is an invalid argument.
You didn't mention "Biology and Evolution" you said
"These arguments DO demonstrate your ignorance of the science, and I hope you ARE willing to learn."
"And there you would be wrong about what science is"
"You clearly have no idea what science is, Exusiai."
However now that you have mentioned a specific branch of science. It's simple. The Syllogism Method of Logic states if Statement A is true, and Statement B is True, then Statement C must also be true.
Statement A: Evolution is a Scientific Theory
Statement B: Scientific Theories Can be proven flawed.
Statement C (Conclusion): Evolution is Flawed.
You can throw all the "Theory" at me you want, it will not change my belief that I did not evolve from a monkey. Again, this doesn't make me ignorant, it doesn't make me stupid. It makes me a believer in something higher than myself.
For the record I am not "Ignorant" of Science, it was in fact one of my favorite subjects, particularly physics and theoretical physics.
You have yet to address one of my earlier points. So I'll repeat it.
Newton's First law: The velocity of a body remains constant unless the body is acted upon by an external force. This we know is a "Scientific Fact"
There is no friction in space. This we also know is a "scientific" fact
The Big Crunch is one theory in which the metric expansion of space eventually reverses and the universe recollapses, ultimately ending as a black hole singularity.
The Big Crunch is a scientific theory that contradicts the First Law of Motion.
Per the first law of motion, an object moving in space would move forever, unless acted upon by an outside force. Therefore it could not possibly stop expanding unless you acknowledge the existence of an outside force. Since the first law of motion says the only thing that could stop the expansion of the universe is an Outside force.
Now I know what your going to say. "It's the density of the universe itself that is causing it to collapse" Well then that would invalidate the First Law of motion, since that is an Internal, not an external force. And if one LAW of physics is bendable and or invalid, that brings into question all of the laws of physics.
The Drug Test
happywithnewbulbs said...
Typo, oops my bad.
The Drug Test
nooga said... "Seems kind of funny that your all in favor of drug testing for welfare recipients, but only lil jonnie and Blackwater suggested drug testing the biggest leechs of tax payer money, the politicians "
I agree whole heartily. As their employer I want them tested. As their employer I want them docked a days pay if they miss a vote.
The Drug Test
There is a difference between the 90 year old lady on Social Security and a person applying for Food stamps and government cheese (I really miss Government cheese that stuff was awesome).
The Food Stamp / Welfare program is funded by tax payer dollars. Social Security is something you pay into and get back when you retire in payments.
If I were an employer I'd require drug testing. And in theory I as a taxpayer am employing those on welfare to sit on their rear end and do nothing. I Want them drug tested.
I've known people who got food stamps and sold them so they could have drug money. How does that feed their children?
Sorry no this law needs to be implemented nationwide.
The Drug Test
To those of you quoting the Bill of Rights you may want to actually look at the wording there
Amendment IV of the Bill of Rights
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
Persons, Houses, Papers and effects. this does not cover Government buildings.
JustOneWoman said... "You have a choice whether you work for company A, company B, or not at all. What choice do these people have? "
They have a choice to apply for welfare and take a drug test OR to get a job OR to move in with family or friends OR to go to a community kitchen... I could go on with the list, but as you can see they have several options as I just listed four.
And while I'm on the subject, How is it illegal to grow your own food? Where on God's green earth did you get that crack head conspiracy theory statement?
What is every farmer in America breaking the law?
If you as a private citizen walk into a building and apply for Government Assistance, and it is a requirement to pass a drug test to get said assistance, then it is not a violation of your rights to ask you to pee in a cup. Since you knew walking in the door what would be required, by signing the paper you are agreeing to submit to that test.
Anyone that thinks this policy is in violation of the 2nd amendment needs to actually take and study a civics course, or in some cases retake it.
Let me tell you why. It does not affect the subject's "Persons, houses, papers, or effects" it is collecting and testing a sample of their waste, and Waste is in effect public domain. It is theoretically possible for them to just sit in the sewer outside your house and collect the sample, and its legal.
It is not an unreasonable search or seizure. It is perfectly reasonable to ask an applicant to submit to a drug test. If it was illegal my employer and thousands of employers across the country would be in violation of this law. Most people today expect to be drug tested when applying for a job, and if it is an expectation it is not unreasonable.
There is no warrant involved.
So in closing, arguments that it is in violation of the 2nd amendment is an invalid argument.
Thank you for shopping though, Have a nice day.
'Study history so it won't be forgotten' and more Letters to the Editors
Having read HB 368, what may I ask is wrong with it?
'Here are reasons to replace Obama' and more Letters to the Editors
I'm sorry, you can not blame the President, who is one man, for the mistakes of several administrations before him, and the entire government now.
Letters to the Editor
Oh man, I just wasted a post like a Week back on this.!
'Diet is a key to diabetes help' and more letters to the editors
You didn't mention "Biology and Evolution" you said
"These arguments DO demonstrate your ignorance of the science, and I hope you ARE willing to learn."
"And there you would be wrong about what science is"
"You clearly have no idea what science is, Exusiai."
However now that you have mentioned a specific branch of science. It's simple. The Syllogism Method of Logic states if Statement A is true, and Statement B is True, then Statement C must also be true.
Statement A: Evolution is a Scientific Theory Statement B: Scientific Theories Can be proven flawed. Statement C (Conclusion): Evolution is Flawed.
You can throw all the "Theory" at me you want, it will not change my belief that I did not evolve from a monkey. Again, this doesn't make me ignorant, it doesn't make me stupid. It makes me a believer in something higher than myself.
'Diet is a key to diabetes help' and more letters to the editors
For the record I am not "Ignorant" of Science, it was in fact one of my favorite subjects, particularly physics and theoretical physics.
You have yet to address one of my earlier points. So I'll repeat it.
Newton's First law: The velocity of a body remains constant unless the body is acted upon by an external force. This we know is a "Scientific Fact"
There is no friction in space. This we also know is a "scientific" fact
The Big Crunch is one theory in which the metric expansion of space eventually reverses and the universe recollapses, ultimately ending as a black hole singularity.
The Big Crunch is a scientific theory that contradicts the First Law of Motion.
Per the first law of motion, an object moving in space would move forever, unless acted upon by an outside force. Therefore it could not possibly stop expanding unless you acknowledge the existence of an outside force. Since the first law of motion says the only thing that could stop the expansion of the universe is an Outside force.
Now I know what your going to say. "It's the density of the universe itself that is causing it to collapse" Well then that would invalidate the First Law of motion, since that is an Internal, not an external force. And if one LAW of physics is bendable and or invalid, that brings into question all of the laws of physics.
'Diet is a key to diabetes help' and more letters to the editors
Once again you resort to calling me ignorant because I do not share your beliefs.
If you are incapable of holding an intelligent discussion, without resorting to insults. This concludes our conversation.